The Anti-homosexual Bible?: Christians take the Blame

While surfing a blog today it linked to an article on time.com that states that the perception of Christians is that they are too ‘anti-homosexual.’ While reading this I thought that this is an interesting thought. Is it Christians or the Bible that is ‘anti-homosexual?’

I would contend, through reading scripture and commentaries on passages, that the Bible itself is not anti-homosexual. Now wait and read the rest before you start making comments about my faith. I think that the Bible is anti-homosexual as much as it is anti-pornography or anti-drunkeness. I think that it is the Christian people who are at fault here not the Bible. I wish that Christians would realize that yelling and name calling really just seems that you don’t have an intellectual leg to stand on. I wish that Christians would realize that there strong feelings are the result of the pendulum swing going on inside them.

Now I would agree that homosexuality falls in a special type of sin that is inside the body (Matt??). This is the same as all other sexual sins. Marital infidelity is a sexual sin the same as homosexuality. Why then do Christians seem have a much deeper condemnation for homosexuality?

I think, at least in Canada, this pendulum swing reaction is due to the new legal stand that homosexual people have in marriage. It is legal to be a married homosexual person in BC. Christians are scared of this. In part, I think, because they have not truly evaluated the scriptures and their beliefs on the issue. They are scared of being challenged in their faith. They are scared because their safe little world is gone.

Now I don’t think that homosexual living is okay. I feel quite strongly that it is sin. I also feel quite strongly that extra-marital sex is sin, as is viewing pornography. I do believe that we need to treat these sins as equal. We should be talking about the evils of the secret sin of pornography as much as the more public sin of homosexuality. We need to not get up on our high horse and preach of evil until we have removed the plank from our own eye.

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~ by curtismchale on October 10, 2007.

23 Responses to “The Anti-homosexual Bible?: Christians take the Blame”

  1. “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.”

    Leviticus 20:13

  2. Look in the cultural context of the writing. We don’t do all of the things written in the Old Testament for a reason.

  3. While I agree that all people should hold to the same standards of sexual responsibility and fidelity, which seems to be your point, I don’t see how you can put homosexuality and sexual promiscuity and pornography viewing in the same category. The latter two are clear choices. Homosexuality is an orientation. It is not chosen out of any baser motivation or purpose than heterosexual. It is how a person who is oriented toward his or her own sex seeks and expresses affection. Yes, there are exceptions – people who twist and pervert hetero – and homosexuality, but they do not define the norm. Your seemingly generous view on homosexuality is actually very condemning. Have you discussed your view with any actual homosexual people who seek to have committed loving relationships?

  4. Yes in fact I have. There are two lesbian couples at work. They seemed to respect me for my honest view. They also know me through life. I don’t treat them any different than I do others in the work place. After our long conversation they have even commented that they notice similar treatment. since then we have talked on the issue a few more times.

  5. Let’s take that idea of ‘cultural context’ and now apply it to the broader social and cultural evolution of humanity. Belief in the supernatural is really put into context when you really become educated in the sciences and history. “I don’t treat them any different than I do in the work place.” Whoa.. way to go.. that must be something you’re proud of? I read statements like that and my stomach feels the same way it does when I hear some redneck say “I don’t treat black people any different. I have black friends”. I don’t think I will participate in your blog. Please don’t contact me again Curtis. Personally I think you need a therapist, but everyone is going to learn what they need to know in time. Seriously, let’s have whatever you want to respond with here, but no more emailing me directly. Good luck with all that.

    – astarwashere

  6. Perfectly fine. I will not email you. Judging from the comments that have come up I am not sure that what I wanted to say was understood. What I was trying to say is 1) Too many Christians are anit-homosexual. 2) I do believe that homosexuality is a sin 3) I do believe that we should treat all people as equal. I hope that sums it up.

  7. I don’t want to start a flame war, but your #2 bullet item is exceedingly disgusting. Hopefully the enlightened folks who you’ve also likely offended have read my comments here and will start hitting my blog, QOTMFD. Come on people, and show that good love! :]

  8. Astarwhatever is a being inflammatory instead of helpful, and as such should be ignored. But don’t miss his intent on realizing the implication of your designating these people who have made no choice as sinful in their nature. Yes we are all fallen (Genesis 3) but isn’t that true about your heterosexuality as well as another person’s sexuality?

    Think about what “sin” is too. Is “sin” a thing? Is it breaking a rule? Or is “sin” a condition, that of being separated from God? I think a person who is trying to be faithful and chaste and loving through their same sex relationship (because that is how they are wired) is not separating him/herself from God. After all, unity with God isn’t a matter of ‘not breaking rules’ (God doesn’t play games with us) but is a matter of embodying the spirit of love that God is.

  9. Thanks for the pick up precarious. I was hoping you would write back. I an not convinced that a person is ‘wired’ one way or another. I would agree that some people have a stronger desire towards certain behaviours but I stop short of saying that this propensity allows for the behaviour to be okay. I know it is not quite the same but some people’s bodies deal with alcohol differently. This is a chemical part of their body. I don’t believe that this makes drunkeness appropriate.

    Againg thanks for writing back. Part of the intent of this blog is to continue to work out my faith. I had hoped that some things I said would be challenged for that reason.

  10. i wanted to reply to astarwashere…

    “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.”

    Leviticus 20:13

    Sure. Good job finding that verse. It’s great to use to prove that homosexuals are “sinners.”
    Let me ask you two things. A few verses before this “gay” verse, the book of Leviticus also condemns adulterers to death. To death! So if you want to take Leviticus seriously, and judge us gay people, and tell us to change our ways, please think again. Go murder everyone who has committed adultery. Jesus said that “whoever looks upon a woman in lust has already committed adultery in his heart.” Well then we’re all screwed, aren’t we?

    One more thing.
    Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
    9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
    10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
    11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
    12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

    It’s an abomination to EAT SHRIMP AND LOBSTER.

    All of the things that are in Leviticus go back to what is “clean” and “unclean.”

    Jesus said Himself that nothing that enters our bodies can no longer make us become “unclean”, only things that leave our body ( out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks). We are not under the Leviticus law, we are under grace.

  11. Thanks for stopping by my site, I’ve read a few of your blogs and they are very interesting. I’ll keep checking back.

    Here’s my two cents worth on this topic. I believe we need to keep things in context when reading the word.

    1Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator–who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

    So is homosexuality any better or worse of sin than any of the other things we do? No sin is sin. Sin simply means we missed the mark. There was a target which was right and we missed it.

    I know many people believe homosexuality is a way in which people were born, but honestly I don’t believe God to be cruel in any way shape or form. He designed you male or female. I don’t profess to know all the answers on why or how but I know that even though we may like pornography or adultery it wasn’t God’s design that we entertain that lifestyle. I am praying that you hear my heart as it isn’t trying to be hateful.

    To clear up a common misconception that blameitonmarch said in his comment,
    Matthew 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

    To truly understand this passage we must understand what it means. Lust means “to look upon a thing to obtain for one’s own” the word woman in that verse means “married woman”. Think of Miss, Mrs. Ms. all women but different categories. So when we read this scripture correctly it says, If you are thinking about obtaining a married woman for your own you’ve commited adultery already. You’ve already made the plans to do something. Therefore, single men who look on single women and lust after them is not a bad thing.

    Looking forward to reading more of your thoughts!

  12. Why do you think it would be cruel of God to create homosexual people? Don’t worry I don’t think you’re being hateful…I have been on your side of the debate before so you won’t step on my toes.

  13. By the way, lust is wrong. Period. There is a difference between COVETING and LUSTING.Don’t try to twist scripture into “don’t lust after a married woman”…that’s straight up wrong.

    Lust- ” An intense or unrestrained sexual craving.”

    =)

  14. To say that God created a person to suffer, to desire a person for whom He says to then be with is a sin, to not allow that person to have love in partnership just doesn’t go with who the bible says God is. God is love. It just doesn’t resonate with me.

    Lust is not wrong in context. I lust after my husband. I was attracted to him physically, dated him, married him and still desire him. It is not wrong when placed on the right person. I didn’t covet him, he wasn’t someone elses. And we did date to see if we were compatible for marriage.

  15. After showing this website for one of my Christian’s friends,she read and admitted to me that she is a homosexual.I was shocked because she is one of my best friends and besides,she is also a good apostle in the church.
    That girl said to me :
    “I’m placing myself in an impasse.You are a normal person with an ordinary sexual life.But I am like the disable.I want to follow god but my legs were amputated.I want to be like Paul …forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,I want to press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of god in Christ Jesus.But look at me…I’m a homosexual.Sometimes,I wish I could live in a world with only man so that I will not love any women and will never be lust by them.I lied myself and admitted it in hopelessness.”
    She cried a lot and asked me what should she do to control her sexual life.Can she get married with a man or just living in a single life until Jesus calls her.I was very confused and just only able to sympathize her by say that :”Pray and read bible.Jesus will draw a way.Jesus tell us that [ask,and it will be given you; seek and you will find; knock and it will be opened to you.For every one who asks receives ,and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.]” Although I comfort her by these bible sentences,I ‘m still bewildered because I can only say but cannot help her in a real action.
    Do you have any ideas ?

  16. It is a very tough question with no real easy way to solve the problem. I personally stuggle with pornography. I don’t really have a normal sexual life, at least according to biblical principles. I am married but it does not make the struggle any easier. Sometimes I slip back into my old way of living more often, as I continue to work through life, I am winning.
    It is very intimidating for someone to ‘come out.’ It sounds like you have loved them. Continue to do so. Make sure that they know that you are their friend first and will always be there to support them. Start with that. Talk to others that have wisdome and compassion around you. Remember though that not all Chrisitans will open up their arms with love to the homosexual. DUC I will pray for you and your friend for wisdom and love.

  17. tlc4women i stand corrected…you are right that lust is okay in the right context. 🙂

    but if i lust after a man ( i see a another man and i’m sexually attracted to him), and i have always lusted after men (men without wives)…why would God be so cruel as to say that i am sinning?

    i appreciate the discussion and respect everyone’s opinions. the questions having to do with homosexuality and christianity are VERY hard to answer!!

  18. blameitonmarch-I wish I had an answer for you, I truly do. We can only go back to what the word says and it says in both the new and old testament that it’s a sin. My compassion and love for humanity wants to find a loophole of some sort because I know if the shoe was on the other foot and heterosexuality was a sin, I’d be screwed, no pun intended! If we are to believe that you were born this way then it rocks my world on who I believe God is. I believe that we are born with certain triggers in life and if those triggers are pushed in the right space and time they awaken. Maybe it’s a cop-out to excuse it in my mind I don’t know. I can tell you that I have a child who is questioning their identity. As a mother, I don’t really care who they are in the context of my love for them but as a human if this becomes their reality, it pains me because their life will be hell because of the cruelty of people and their walk as a Christian will make a relationship a sin. Which then leads me to the question of is that the lesson? Is the real lesson that we have to see ourselves in shoes other than our own? I’m afraid I have more questions than answers.

  19. Well the Old Testament doesn’t say homosexuality is a sin…read it in the context of what men were doing to other men. My relationship with Jesus has been growing so deep this past year since I came out of the closet, because I am no longer in that horrible closet of fear and condemnation. I have trusted that Jesus is bigger than my sexuality, and I know for certain in my heart that scripture has been twisted and used against gay people. It isn’t a choice, and it is no easier for me to change who I’m attracted to anymore than it is for you. I don’t believe I have to go through shock therapy to have a relationship with Jesus….

    I wish I could explain this all to you in person because I really honestly do have a relationship with Jesus and I have been affirmed again and again that it is okay that I am gay. I have freedom in Christ—freedom from that fear and pain of being rejected by the world ( mainly, Christians)…I am free from the bondage of the worldly gay society…I don’t sleep around with other men, I don’t go gay clubbing, I am simply attracted to other men. Thanks for the insight though. I appreciate it.

  20. […] Canadian society. I know that I have, inadvertently. I feel I a post I made a while ago regarding homosexuality helped reinforce the negative view of Christians of at least one reader, read the comments to see […]

  21. This comes from someone who spent 10 years in the homosexual lifestyle. I grew up in Christianity and have been a Christian myself since the age of twelve. I never dreamt I would live in the gay lifestye, but I was led there due to open doors in my life. The whole time I was convinced that I was just “born that way” or whatever. Also the whole time, I never had peace (true peace) about living in this (sin) no matter how I tried to justify it in my mind. Basically I wanted to be loved and I had bad judgements against men and so when a woman was willing to love me, it fed the big gaping hole in my heart. But, God is faithful and I can honestly say that He spared my life and brought me out of that place of sin. I thought I would die coming out, but He healed my heart and I honestly have gone years without having any thoughts of being with a woman. I personally believe that people living in this lifestyle unfortunately have been decieved and believe lies in thier heart–strongholds..things they think are really true. It’s the enemy trying to steal your life and it’s one of the hardest things to be set free from. But if you are struggling with peace in your situation, know that God is calling you away from that lifestyle into something much more rewarding.

    In addition, I agree that sin is sin, and we ought not condemn anyone, but love these people no matter what the sin is. People behave badly and feed addictions because they are wounded…plain and simple. They need a true understanding of relationship with Jesus, but unless they get the revelation, the pain gets too intense and it has to be eased by something.

    If you know people living in homosexuality…get on your face and pray for them…pray with them….and most of all love them like Jesus would….

  22. Kingdom Kid.

    Thanks for the long comment specifically the encouragement at the end to pray for those we know. Let’s all remember that.

  23. Although I too believe homosexuality is a sin, Jesus came and through his grace we are saved. The old testament is a foundation of rules. Just because Jesus died on the cross for our sins does not mean we should just go and do whatever we want. However, a lot of you seem to think that homosexuality is either ok or it is separate from other sins. Neither is true. I am straight, yet have had situations in my past that would make some think differently of me. I do believe that homosexual behavior is a sin, just as murder is a sin, and just as not honoring your mother and father is a sin. One thing that Christians do seem to do is judge. Yes we can know these things are sin, but who are we Christians to judge? Do we think we are God? My children are little brats sometimes and hardly ever ‘honor their mother and father’. Does this mean they should be condemned? Um….No!!! The only sin one can have that could be considered being worse than another is having another ‘god’ before our God; i.e. money. This is putting God on a back burner and not giving him the praise he deserves. After 2 wives and 5 children, my own dad came out of the closet. My baby sister can not relate to men in a relationship at all. She decided she could relate more to women in a relationship at the age of 17 (3 years ago). My dad is in a very loving relationship and has never been happier. Does this make it right? Of course not. Do I think my dad is going to miss heaven? As long as he believes in God and that Jesus Christ is our savior; I do not believe so.

    Someone above stated something about Paul and trying to follow his journey. Does anyone realize that even Paul wrote that although he yearns to follow the righteousness of Christ and do what is right, his flesh still sins. He knows it is wrong, but it is there. It does not go into detail of what these sins are; they could be anything. We are all born sinners. Such as Christ said to the mob that wanted to stone the prostitute to death. ‘Ye who have no sin, cast the first stone’. Did anyone cast a stone? NO!!

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